I was involved around 2010 at the Desteni-farm in South Africa.
Desteni is a typical internet new-age cult that got attention by channeling famous people claiming to be able to channel or “portal” anything in existence starting back in 2007. Behind the scenes was apparently a short bald grumpy man that was the real message behind the portal. Here we take a look at this in more detail starting with a timeline.
Timeline of TechnoTutor and Desteni
-1995: Ferdi Poolman, the brother of Bernard, founds a company called 4 blind mice studio in South Africa. The software is used in readers are leaders a program to improve reading skills for children. Ferdi has nothing to do with the intentions Bernard had with this software that he had made no contribution to. The only agreement was that Bernard would help sell this software. The original intent of the software was to get kids that are behind on reading skills up to speed.
-2000: The companies World Read, wake-up-genius education and power education are founded in the name of Bernard Poolman. Apparently then already convincing parents to buy the software that was worth around 30 dollars for 1000+ dollars and had stolen the software from Bernard’s brother now operating with a sales pitch mainly from Bernard’s secretary.
-2000-2007: the group before Desteni was a group into meditation with the use of xtc and was into demonology. The income came from selling this stolen software, convincing parents their children would need it to have a future justifying the pricing. The selling of this software was also the “work” Sunette/Susan Spies was doing before becoming the “portal”.
– 2007: Desteni is founded, the product is on Desteni’s website with the name vocabulary purifier. Desteni website then later re-named “Quantum Vocabulary Builder” sold via a site maintained by Cameron Cope of Desteni Education. The same software now appears to be TechnoTutor. Zecharia Sitchin was on the Desteni website. Which explains the fantasy of the reptilians creators of the human race.
– 2010: The SRA program was started with a standard pyramid money scheme, containing muscle testing in combination with a variation of Dianetics, the pseudo-scientific ideas and practices of non other than L. Ron Hubbard.
-2013: TechnoTutor is founded, the name was thought up by Matti Freeman. Kate(Katherine) Conklin the wife of Cameron Cope has it to her name. The organization doesn’t mention Desteni, but are still believing and spreading Desteni propaganda with as a front a ruthless moneymaking scheme with outdated software and big promises of genius level children and becoming rich. The intentional high pricing gives the victims “skin in the game” and every buyer is transformed into a promoter and seller of the software and the TT program.
-2020: Self-perfected is created as a facebook group. They organize meetings for hundreds of dollars per person(including children) holding people in the belief they are going to be rich.
-Many open source programs including some integrated into most OS can improve reading and word pronunciation for free.
Desteni’s Self Forgiveness
More or less the only tool in Desteni thought by Bernard Poolman. Members are told to repeat and even to write out separately the following:
“I forgive myself that I have accepted and allowed that…”
This practice in the group is a perversion of Christian confession where instead to god you confess to self(and the group as it is done publicly a lot). In essence you are retrospectively confessing to a conscious action of accepting and allowing (guilt) and in the same line absolving you from the guilt of doing that. This is what also gives a sense of relief of your self submitted guilt. Even though it is also thought that you need to walk an experience to complete the process of change, it is a self created problem(guilt) and solving of that problem(forgiving self for it) which creates the effect of relief from the ‘removal’ of guilt.
The “process” of desteni is an endless becoming of the concept of self(which you already are and is fine). you create a self “program” that can now give things to you. Creating the problem you try to solve.
Desteni uses self forgiveness to program self.
For me insanity is the idea that you are god, in any shape or form implicit or explicit. That to me is insanity. The ultimate form of self centeredness. The control of information is typical for this kind of thing. It is B. Poolman who has saturated Sunette (portal aka the channel) with with a made up creation story. Bernard has duped Sunette as some kind of unique special channel. Obviously the information the channel shares seems to correspond to a lot of books Bernard was rustling in. Other than that the way they say the portal works gives them an endless excuse to not share anything worthwhile or verifiable in any way.
Desteni claims to know the problem you have only they can solve. Specifically you with their products.
Bernard Poolman
The founder of Desteni and content creator behind the portal and Desteni in general. The arc Bernard took before desteni is that when he was a young adult his mother had his sister admitted without his knowledge.
Apparently he thought nothing was wrong and she really could speak to spirits. Bernard described this event as evil. The contact broke away with his mother and later got somewhat better with his brother after dumping him again later.
During his time as investigator he used mediums for example which he said didn’t produce reliable results. Clearly in this type if position mediums and divination have no place. He said he quit his job as he was told he would die by a spiritual guide.
To understand why this happens you have to know that he had been fascinated by deep trance mediums and had access to one as his father-in-law was one. It involves study to become a medium, there are rules and things defined in that area beforehand.
The strong aversion against any type if psychiatry and the academic world at large by Bernard should be much clearer. Besides the career ‘move’ he was a raging alcoholic and gambling addict. He did stop alcohol, but apparently instead of acknowledging his addiction problem switched later to hard drugs, xtc. This was also suggested to people around him.
People around him were only important to the extend they proved useful to him. The danger with Bernard was that he knew what buttons to press to calm or steer someone while making it seem that it is best for ‘all’. You can replace ‘all’ with Bernard Poolman.
2 Feb 2011 – 17 Jun 2025
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The Dunning–Kruger Effect Real or No?
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Dunning–Kruger Effect, illusory superiority on March 4, 2020 by Jorn
An enormous trend has been this D-K Effect, many papers about it and I simply share here what I think about it with some simple reasoning that I let go on this cognitive bias of illusory superiority. I am first explaining basically using example when the D-K Effect is not. Then i will shortly explain when it does apply.
The Dunning–Kruger Effect is specifically about the relation of cognition and/or meta-cognition and the ability to evaluate ones own performance. And because this is something with illusory superiority wherein a person overestimates their own qualities and abilities. the D-K Effect is that the lower your ability or skill the higher you overestimate yourself. You could say that it is one of the many reasons of why and how someone overestimates him or herself. So a cognitive reason for overestimating yourself.
Bare with me this is what D-K Effect actually entails:
“Someone that has low ability or skill in a certain field not only lacks the ability to do well in that field but also as a double edged blade finds him or herself incapable of judging correctly the level they are compared to others. Even more so the little knowledge they have is perceived as more than it is and is inflating their confidence so that the estimate themselves as better than the actually are.”
Lets begin with an example, say that example person Peter has great skills and knowledge in finance works in a company and at some point his boss sees that the younger people he hires work much faster and it appears that Peter has very poor skills in basic administration and just working with computers in general. So he goes to him and says I value you in my company, but I want you to follow this basic course of administration and computing to improve your performance. Now Peter responds with what do you mean I am an expert I don’t need basic education of administration what are you talking about. Peter might also even admit, I am slightly above average with administration and computing but not bad.
Now many people would say that Peter suffers from the D-K Effect and that because he has little knowledge of administration and computing he can’t see his own deficits. You could also say that he simply has gained confidence through learning in other fields putting him at a certain level from where he reasons that he is at least at some level in another field. So he has raised a certain confidence in himself and expects a certain level of himself in other field because of it. Alright. So say Peter takes the course anyway because he has little choice he could loose his job. He starts to understand that he knows indeed very little of this administration and computing and starts to go through a humbling experience. Now what happens is that his confidence brought back as he learns more, so because he knows more about the subject the relation between what he thinks he is for level comes to the same height as the level he actually is in that field. Not only that but this is also an experience he would remember the next time someone offers him to learn something new. So in conclusion it is not that he because he has low knowledge overestimates himself, it is rather that because he gains knowledge that he learns how to estimate himself in that field and bring back his confidence level to the right proportion. The base confidence level of Peter was very high and his overestimation of himself had nothing to do with having a low skill level but it is rather that gaining a higher skill level in a certain field gave him insight to make a correct estimation of himself within that particular field while before he directly projected his confidence and skill level from other fields onto this field. It seems to some like splitting hairs but its not. The difference is that people who are experts in a certain field can indeed make more accurate self-evaluations than people with lower skills, but lower skilled people don’t necessarily make bad self-evaluations because of their low skill level. That low skilled people overestimate themselves has to do with the base confidence level they have. The research of the D-K Effect was done mainly in America and with students. These have all kinds of things learned and also due to the win-loose culture in America a student has a higher confidence of him or herself(in general a winner mentality).
Lets take another example. Children have been found to know very little about their skill level. This only comes later. Children have high confidence and overestimate themselves constantly. They basically do trial and error type of thing to quickly learn how to behave. They have no reference. With experience comes the ability to estimate whether or not they can do something and later how well they can do that particular thing compared to others. It is not that because they have a low level of skill that they overestimate themselves, it is because confidence is given by the parents and the children don’t know any thing else than that they can do it (in most cases).
There are 2 components to the D-K Effect. The first one is that someone who is incompetent is unable to recognize his or hers own incompetence. This is true in the sense that how can you judge something if you have no reference at all to it. So this basically if you have no clue of a certain area how can you judge your level at it. This is simply common sense. The second component is that because of your incompetence at a particular field you estimate the knowledge that you do have as more than what it really is and you overestimate your ability. And it is this second part in particular that changes when the D-K effect occurs. Peter from the example doesn’t judge the knowledge as more than it is, he is simply used to being at a certain level and projects that onto another field. Children don’t judge the skill they have as more than it is and consequently overestimate themselves, they simply are overconfident anyway. It is true however that they don’t have the ability to judge their skill level yet, but that is something different from overestimating themselves because they judge the skill they have as more than it is. The only thing we can say is for sure is that learning skills actually improves our self-evaluation, but not that being unskilled leads to self-overestimation.
There are specific cases that people overestimate the knowledge they have (especially in western culture) and/or create fake knowledge, overestimate their knowledge and overestimate themselves. In these cases the D-K effect applies. It has become a common western plague. All it takes to prevent it is some humility and the realization that there is always more to know and there is a lot that you don’t know. That is a part of this effect that people come up with alternative thinking systems with often made up connections and even change their memory to change what they believe. So even though the initial research of the D-K effect doesn’t hold up, it is definitely a mechanism that is prevalent in especially western culture.
The “Desteni” Cult
Posted in Uncategorized on February 21, 2020 by Jorn
Desteni is a Cult that was started by Bernard Poolman(he passed away). He worked with this woman Sunette Spies(or Susan Spies) and a few others claiming that Sunette could bring through anything in existence, much like channeling.
Bernard Poolman the creator of Desteni had many years before the opening of the portal studied the occult, basically anything supernatural and was a person that would search constantly for alternative truth outside of him and saturated his direct environment with it including Sunette before she became a portal. Bernard and the portal also can’t be separated. It is him and her, because of the portal, Bernard justified his theories that he had made his own. The portal functioned as a point of power and drew in people that were suggestible at least. People that look for answers outside of themselves easily influenced and changeable. At the point you investigated more you would find out that Bernard Poolman was behind the portal “teaching” the core of what is now Desteni.
Striking to me is that Sunette never really told her story or experience from start to finish. The whole of the Desteni videos of the portal and also documents is snippets of experiences or stories but never a detailed experience from start to finish. Also they made a video series called the history of man, this is their only real history type of video they made. You are being told a story supposedly the history of mankind by a being called “jack”. Now nothing not in the series before or after is told about this “jack”. The being that shares all this information tells nothing about himself of where he comes from or anything, that just seemed really odd to me. Jack supposedly got his information from the Akashic records. This is quite interesting as it has probably got to do with the things Bernard Poolman was reading namely Helena Blavatsky. Basically Desteni directly adopts theosophy teachings just doesn’t name it.
So snippets of stories and never really things that would make the portal somewhat believable. They simply didn’t need to do that and it helps in keeping out of discussions that they are not interested in. Supposedly the “message” is important of Desteni. You can see that this deflective stance tries to lure you away from important questions that have nothing to do with the “message” but with the workings of the portal. Perfectly valid questions. In that regard Desteni functions much like the old oracles and it is a form of divination. You believe it on the basis of what is shared, and stop asking questions at the moment that you are satisfied by the answers given.
There is a whole side to Desteni that believes in readings of people, supporting this whole predefined matrix of information about personalities. I am talking about horoscopes and personality readings and so on. The only reason this works is because many people are suggestible they are actually shaped, and are not aware of this, completely by their surroundings. So that is why you can do a “reading” on someone because the definition is exactly predefined and predictable. However and this has been shown many times this does not work on everyone.
You know something else that is destructive about this cult is that it constantly compares this world to an ideal world that they envision. From this come ideas and delusions that they are somehow making a change and don’t care how little it is as long as they are doing it. See there is nothing wrong with having some ideals, but if you are constantly comparing the current world with that ideal world your mind will eventually just split. You will simply not be able to sustain giving energy to both real life and this you that is trying to realize some alternative world. I am not saying that you should just not care about useful changes in the world that would make it better, but rather learn more about how the world functions and become better at finding the right ways to push for a change without wasting energy on things that will not change. That is for all you idealists out there, look at what you actually can accomplish. Be realistic.
The inner workings of the “portal” from Desteni
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, possession on December 4, 2019 by Jorn
I have been to South Africa when this cult called Desteni originated. Many wonder what actually happens when she portals as she doesn’t do it in public anymore and has decided to settle and have a life (i don’t blame her). For those wondering wtf is going on that Bernard Poolman created ill give you my take on what the portal is and how it actually works.
You have to understand that all Bernard Poolman ever did was keep busy with the supernatural but never being able to truly figure it out. So he went to demon possession and specialized in that. Lets talk about possession for a bit because that is the core of this whole thing. What happens with possession. Is it real? Well yes and no. It is not a demon of some sort coming through to take over a person. Instead it is the mind that throws up an alter ego. This originates from the practice of actively suppressing the ego or sense of self I would describe it. This can also happen when someone actively tries to get away from a certain situation. The self can be completely subdued and within that what happens is automatically you start acting like from a dream. Let us see in this that it is a complete mind thing.
Sunette/Susan Spies has with training from Bernard Poolman learned how to completely subdue her ego/ sense of self/ mind. I use 3 different words because we are talking of sense of self or a piece of the mind that is conscious and on acting duty. I don’t even know if she still knows how to do this trick that she used to do when letting as she calls it portal-ling anything in existence past, tense or present. Because she hasn’t done this since years, maybe because of the fact that most people actually don’t buy it and that they found it did more harm than good for them mostly but also for people themselves.
So Bernard used to talk about life essence which is sound which behaves like water. It is the best i can describe some of the more inner teachings of Desteni the actual substance or essence of it all. They theorized that if one could access this “source” one could access everything because everything is connected this way. This is how they come to the portal and how it is supposed to work.
As you may know I do not believe anything that Desteni has thought, not a word. The thing is the “mind” is a curious thing and I don’t know everything and I am sure there are very interesting things to discover in this subject. But lets be honest here, we cannot say what is real and not real at the moment. Everything is subjected through the mind. Through hypnoses we can experience things as if they were real and 50% of the people is going through life in a suggestible state. Meaning they can be hypnotized at any point. That said, lets look at what Desteni is hiding from us.
Lets look at how they do the recording of these “portal” interviews. Nothing is shown of preparation and evaluation, but it is said that it is all spontaneous. Something else is that she is always aware before hand what she is gonna “portal” and then only for show purposes does the breathing in and out and then supposedly has completely integrated the visitor or whatever she has taken in. Now if you actually look at it closely she seems to have told that when this happened for the first time she was very depressed and Bernard said to her to let it all go and what happened was she left her body and she could see herself being taken over by a Demon at which point she started to explore and this whole adventure of the “portal” started.
It is interesting to note that she was in a certain emotional state when she first got her “out of body” experience. A state that was of running away of basically not wanting to be who she was where she was. So say she did have this experience of out of body that is all i am gonna call it for now. What happened to her body, what did take over? Well I will tell you right now it wasn’t a demon. See our bodies are very resilient. They have back ups for days and when it comes to the mind we have all seen people do things that they don’t remember in either traumatic circumstances or at the edge of their life where the mind just goes into auto-mode. It might do things and say things that are completely forgotten later. In her case its the same, what takes over has only access to her faculties. Meaning they don’t know anything about their so called “past lives” except some blur that in my experience with every interview is a very vague description of what their life was. Like they view it from the outside.
So what is taking over every-time she interviews? It is herself with her ego suppressed. Seemingly able to access much more than she is able to herself. But not really. Just watch the interviews and see that there is a certain point around where she pivots. Basically she doesn’t stray from a bunch of information that is repeated with different characters. Which are only slight deviations from herself. In fact it is herself. Where she lets herself completely go. There is nothing but her own mind to keep you entertained as will the more educated people realize the quicker. What i think is that it is a real trick, something she actually actively has done in the past, that actually gave some different results than Bernard Poolman used to have with demon possession. She could actually control what came through. If you only think about this for some time you would realize that if someone can control what comes through is it truly a free expression that comes through or is it under control? It is one of the key questions, because if something like this was truly going on and she claims she is the only one on earth who can do this by the way then it would be much more random and certainly not containable and controllable like this “portal” business of Desteni.
On a different note I don’t believe it could ever happen by the way, channeling, portalling, or whatever form of bringing forth anything. I think we are truly alone with a very developed mind that has become so complex that it is easy to fool other people with it. But these mind tricks are temporary and besides not what the mind is for. It is for supporting our bodies retrieving and processing our world and has become this great collection of things around us that can be used to mimic a “portal” but in no way really is. It is just storing way more information than we really know. So accessing your subconscious causes you to “know” much more than you realized and can fool anyone into believing that it is getting this information elsewhere than through the 5 senses.
The liar called Bernard Poolman
Posted in Uncategorized with tags cult, desteni, desteni cult on October 29, 2019 by Jorn
In my travels i have met this man called Bernard Poolman. He was leader of this cult called Desteni that is still in existence. The thing is that this cult claims to have opened a portal (a woman) that can “channel” anything in existence. This was basically introduced and set up by Bernard Poolman. Think about this for a minute. You got a portal to all in existence and you cannot proof this with any evidence. Isn’t this already being untruthful if you call it true? How are they so sure it is real when there is absolutely nothing proof-able? How come Bernard kept going with this lie even though no proof what so ever was uncovered? I will give some answers to these basic questions.
Bernard had a plan and not just any plan. He had a background in law, micro transactions and making business contracts for education software. Make no mistake the plan he had was a businessplan, its the only plan he makes. Other than that if it was only surrounded by lies it didn’t matter as long as it was profitable to support his and everyone that followed him in their way of life. Basically nothing was true of what he thought, this was self forgiveness (basically how to lie to yourself), self-honesty (how to hide from yourself by calling something like self-honesty) oneness and equality (a line that confuses the hell out of people and that you can use to justify anything). I am sure that there are ways to live that you could not lie with these learning tools, but the way he did it was to lie from start to finish. He had always followed supernatural things and wasn’t really grounded at all, he got followers and interest because he was like a link to these supernatural things and eventually he tried to top this with his “portal” bullshit. Surrounding it with teachings of truth, forgiveness and equality. Basically all his existence he was a compulsive liar and for him it ended in creating something that would bring that all together and make a following that actually had a chance not to be liars.
Bernard saw this as the only solution you know yourself that well and know that there are others like you to find a remedy for it all, a cure so to say to save himself (which was too late) and to save others. Wat better than to lure them into the same shit he was into his whole life and then trick them with tools that would actually cure the compulsive liar. Its where his passion really came from.
look what a train wreck he left behind:
-Nothing made by Desteni was ever finished
-Nothing made by Desteni was original
-None of its members ever achieved anything with studying and applying the material that is actually show-able
-Members keep dwelling into this made up “desteni language” in the mind which is that which is exactly what they profess to “self-help”
-Members become isolated from others just because they have involved themselves within desteni
-Desteni has become a money income for people that work at desteni professing bullshit targeting an audience that is suggestible and falls for the “afterlife” keyword that they use
-Desteni has always been a money scheme from its inception thats because Bernard had no other way for it to survive contrary to what he professes in his interviews Desteni supports the current money system of capitalism and continues to be profit motivated
-Desteni lore follows the books read by Bernard Poolman where under Zecharia Sitchin which is proven mulitple times to be based on inaccurate translations and only a single person not other translators
It is no wonder that Bernard Poolman had so much experience with demons. This energy that you create every time when lying this friction with reality that starts to live a life on its own in your head. Each gets a different personality based on yourself lying to yourself and this can simply be suppressed and forgotten until you get to the stage where you become one of your old selfs only to repeat what you have done in the past.
the Cult Desteni Universe
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult, desteni universe on August 5, 2019 by Jorn
Whether you have been in contact with one of the branches of this cult or directly with Desteni Universe you will these days not notice some of the more hidden believes of this cult. They go under the name Earth haven, Equal Life, Equal Life Foundation, Destonians, Desteni, Desteni Farm, DIP, EQAFE, S.O.U.L., Equal Money. All creations of Desteni and the founder of this cult was Bernard Poolman.
Nowadays these people mainly occupy themselves with self help products. And gather stuff from OTHER people to help THEM for money of course. Stories, thoughts, feelings, emotions whatever they will sort it out with you with so called “tools” nothing more than some stolen self help products that they use on others to help them. It is easy to miss how mislead this cult really is and how mislead thus the people are that follow one of these branches that i mentioned.
Lets be honest anyone with the will and some self help books can help other people it doesn’t take that much as some insight in daily affairs and some common sense. The people in Desteni support it a little bit with psychology studies to come through as somewhat professional, but really they aren’t and getting help from these people is simply throwing your money away that you could have spent to educate yourself in whatever way to suit your particular problem as that is what they attract people with self admitted “problems”
To be quick about what this cult is about lets go into some of the lore of Desteni Universe that you don’t hear that often when only superficially connecting with this cult. They believe just like Scientology if you didn’t know that we were created by reptilian beings (gods), Desteni has this whole creation story which follows closely the works of Zecharia Sitchin including the story of the twelfth planet. To catch you up Desteni believes in this woman (Susan Spies) that expresses anything in the universe past, present and future. Of course this skill of hers has gone a bit silent as they have ran out of bullshit to produce or found a little bit too much resistance from the community or some shit i don’t know. Maybe she decided that this is not worth it and got a life instead lol. Still members her included keep holding on to this story like its the truth while there is still to this day not a single indication for that what so ever. You have been warned.
Cults like this thrive on hardcore members during the short time they thrive on the internet and it always captures some peoples attention because they come up with answers that are otherwise not available. Close contact and lots of ways this cult incorporates members like private forums things you can do for the group and the use of the “tools” they provide sharing your personal stuff online forges the bonds they need to sustain themselves. Members often consider Susan or Sunette Spies as “friend” it shows how close they feel to the cult. Not a single fact checking or really tangible material transfer has occurred.
This is sad because people like this get a fake sense of security around themselves and also a fake sense of confidence. They feel like they are helping the world or some shit, with Desteni behind them while in fact they are completely alone Sunette/Susan Spies has left the building and its ready to get taken down as soon as too much negativity showers their business. Because lets be honest that is all it is a business what Bernard Poolman intended it to be to not have to go back into the “matrix” or some bullshit he talked about: lets put some stolen ideas together and make a business involving as much people as we can get try and get rich selling it under the name of equal money and equal life. Thats the idea and people buy it…
Why? Because it has revealing new facts? No
Because its groundbreaking new research? No.
Because it gives unsupported information and answers and research that is not backed up by any facts or real life events, but it is taken as fact anyway and why? People don’t like waiting they just want easy answers to difficult(impossible) questions that is why. People are easily manipulated suggestible creatures that can be steered and poked until walking, waving and running exactly where you want em. Does this cult do brainwashing? You bet it does and its done in the most simple ways imaginable by telling people to do it themselves that way when the do it the feel like yeah i have done i myself so I am not manipulated in any way. Stupid? Maybe, but hey so many things are that we do stupidity never stops us.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
Demons of Desteni 3
Posted in desteni with tags demon, Demons, desteni, desteni cult on July 29, 2019 by Jorn
It is quite revealing what wording a cult uses. Desteni is a cult that uses the word Demon. Why? Because they are a Christianity based cult. Why? Simple because Bernard Poolman (founder of the cult Desteni) was a Christian. They do believe in Jesus Christ, enough said. I do not have anything against any particular religion, just be honest about it.
The word Demon, lets get some definitions to see what it means:
1. An evil spirit or devil, especially one thought to possess a person or act as a tormentor in hell.
- 1.1A cruel, evil, or unmanageable person.
- 1.2A powerful, often destructive compulsion or obsession.
There are many more definitions of this words and entire wikis dedicated to explaining what it means. Every religion has em and they are in my opinion mainly used to enforce worship, keep people in line that way to come up with stories of evil entities or even just obsessions that are named that way to keep people at bay not just to call them obsessions or compulsions but to call them demons just so that you can blame an external force that you have to “exorcise”.
Its easy to see that there have to be evil entities as well as good ones in any fantasy story (sorry folks that is all it is in my world). Desteni created this fantasy story of heaven and hell again, pretty much stitched together Christian lore, that coincidentally mimics all of the angels and demons told by Christians. I bet if Desteni had originated in Thailand or some shit it would have been bhoedism and Hinduism stories they told. Anyways my point is Desteni is just a manipulator of words that catches peoples minds by giving “interviews” about subjects that might interest the target audience which are mold-able, suggestible “open” minded people that they can infect with their bullshit and get money from.
Don’t believe in Demons its just another tool of control for the masses like so many things but this is a major one. People that use the word Demon often have dabbled in some kind of fantasy world where higher forces exist to put blame about their life. One of the most selfish ways of thinking that exists. That everything revolves around us and forces outside of us that we can wish away with praying to some god. Or in the case of Desteni: doing self forgiveness in literal lines because you as a person need to evolve to conquer and save the world. I do something you can’t do: I change myself with self forgiveness therefore I am morally superior and you have to listen to me and my shit and I don’t listen to you at all and call all your shit bullshit.
Demons of Desteni 2
Posted in Uncategorized with tags Demons, desteni, desteni cult on June 13, 2019 by Jorn
Look at this bunch of convoluted nonsense from the Desteni website. On the one hand they claim inter dimensional demons while on the other hand claiming that they are thoughts and emotions. Its just stupid man. They don’t know what they are talking about. If they are your thought feelings and emotions and memories then why use a word like Demons to describe them. It is simply made up on the spot, it has nothing to do with reality. It is a long piece of text explaining exactly nothing claiming inter dimensional beings exist. It is exactly how Desteni handles all of their questions: long convoluted answers with lots of words without any real explanation what it really comes down to. Just referral after referral and if you follow this carrot there is nothing at the end of course.
I will enlighten you right now. Desteni is a cult that believes that reptilians gods created human beings and that they are the only one with answers to help your sorry ass out (for money). That is what it comes down to. And on the outside they are pretending to be this self help group with good intentions that tries to help out humanity. It is just ridiculous. Pretending to be something your not just to get viewers and followers while having these crooked beliefs. So you have been warned.
Many cults exist nowadays. Look at where they get there information and what is at the basis of them. Usually it is in the street of aliens and Zecharia Sitchins work. This has become a religion in itself. Combined with Helena Blavatsky work people have grown to believe in the supernatural even more in their endless search for god or some primordial soul or whatever anything to proof something that can’t be proven. Really if there was anything tangible about this i would share it here right now but there isn’t. It is all a bunch of religion talk and theoretical nonsense.
The Afterlife according to Desteni
Posted in Communication, Demons, desteni, Mind, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Writing Self with tags Afterlife, common sense, cult, desteni, desteni cult, mind, programming, The afterlife on May 30, 2019 by Jorn
Lets get into it. The afterlife according to this cult named Desteni is this dimension or was this dimension i should say, because they removed it (LOL) where Angels and Demons are and guides and all these constructs that we made up as human beings. All this shit (because thats what it is) is made up by us. Nobody else and these ideas are all in the human mind and therefore Desteni is operating within the human mind, making you believe that this is the real afterlife that only she can access. Let this roll over in your head a couple of times just to see how ridiculous that is.
We word things, name things. As soon as something has got a name its programming it has a definition and gets its own dimension. Programming is only done by us not some god or Reptilian overlords, but by human beings. We program to order and structure the world around us an mainly we do it to say what its not. It is a blocking mechanism to filter things out so you get focus: a consciousness. A tree for example is so much more than just the word but we label it to then filter it out of our focus so we can focus on other things separately.
This is what Desteni is focuses around: programming of your mind. We do it all the time, but they actually convinced themselves that through writing and literal self forgiveness that you can deprogram and reprogram your mind in a way that is better. Better in the sense that you will be able to live your life to its utmost potential. Well of course you can reprogram yourself through writing and you don’t even need writing and you certainly don’t need to bother yourself with writing literal self forgiveness lines that is all theory. In practice you can reprogram yourself on the spot by actually consciously doing and identifying what it is you want to accomplish and actually doing it.
The thing is when i worked at Desteni, they really have no clue what real programming is, they just followed some psychology and try to work with that but the core they don’t understand themselves. Desteni people are just following Bernard Poolman (now deceased) the leader of this cult to this day. Nothing has been contributed in terms of actual programming tools or actual equipment by the members themselves. It is picked up from a mix of self help books by Bernard Poolman and regurgitated by the members as instructed.
So if you are still in Desteni or like half following them not leaving them half believing. Why are you not sharing self forgiveness online? Working actively to support Desteni directly and not through some pseudo self, at least come out for what you believe: reptilian overlords created us and self forgiveness is our lord and savior. That is what i don’t get why so many members like don’t do shit. If you really believe in a woman that is sharing the afterlife with the world then why don’t you actually try to support her?
The truth is that many people don’t know what to believe, they are easy to steer. They are “open” to new programming. Because lets be honest we fuck up in general quite badly in the self programming department that is why these kind of cults can exist. To remedy this don’t go to Desteni but go to yourself and actually look at what you believe in and if there is any solid basis for that. Your core beliefs are what is being programmed so that is where your weak spot is. It is in this being “suggestible” that is the problem. You don’t even have to believe in anything, but at least look around you what actually is. That is common sense. And no one with some common sense is gonna assume one thing after the other like its normal like with Desteni.
I didn’t develop much common sense before the age of 25, in some areas yeah of course practical thinking. But in other areas like core believes, lets say god etc., I was completely fresh and open to “suggestion”. There is no god except the god(s) we made up and that god that we might or might not discover one day has no name, is no programming. It simply is a presence like the lightning in our eyes that we can’t explain what is there exactly and it is in all of us. It is life that is god as simple as that.
Pyramid Scheme of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Equal Money, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming with tags desteni, desteni cult, mind, mind control, Money, money scheme, pyramid scheme on May 11, 2019 by Jorn
This is a follow up post of many previous posts about a cult named Desteni.(read back a couple posts if you want to know about that) Mainly i will go into the technical side of how this cult operates. As this is obvious to some it may not be that way for others.
Basically Desteni started off by gathering publicity featuring all their videos for free to gather as many members as possible running on money previously gathered up by iffy businesses from Bernard Poolman (leader of this cult and now deceased)
Secondly they started up a course with a money pyramid structure where you could climb up in the pyramid by becoming a coach simply by recruiting others and having been “noticed” by the leader(s). You would gather a position to make money and even a living of this course provided that you have enough members to support you. The thing about this is that the money flows to a few people (the leaders) and becomes gathering more members harder to maintain as it becomes harder to recruit.
Eventually they probably saw that this would become a problem to sustain (its unsustainable) and they started charging money for the individual products so customers could shop without signing up for a course. Hoping that this would generate enough sustain in the long run and hopefully still bring in more members once they had been exposed to the “material” (literally 1 woman and sometimes Bernard himself that does interviews about all kinds of topics supposedly from the afterlife)
The same kind of mindless thing is introduced with Earth Haven set up by one of the members who wants you to pledge a dollar to his cause to create sustainable communities across the world. Sounds all dandy but if you look closer and ask for example: how will 1 dollar per person create a spot for every person donating in these sustainable communities? It won’t and it can’t, simple as that. Again a completely stupid idea and not sustainable at all. The many pay for the few that is what it comes down to.
Also a part of enticing people is shocking them on every level so that afterwards programming can be inserted that is favorable for the goals of the group. Something that touches every aspect of their lives so that people don’t have to look somewhere else. What you get is a complete transformation of minds that are all ended to the same thing which is what you want: a small focused group that won’t let go. People that come afterwards are just carriers basically and in the end the power lies with the leaders because they have their copyright on the material the groups and names and can just milk out whoever bites.
Important within this mind control is that you create a outside source that is more powerful than you. A strict hierarchy where in the end one rules em all strictly in the sense of ideology. So technically speaking since the ideology is from Bernard Poolman it is his product after all with as a conduit speaker Suzan Spies on facebook or Sunette Spies. Once you step in the domain of Desteni he simply owns your mind. Many people have their mind owned anyways nowadays, but that’s a different story. Its also the reason why the community is largely dropouts and people without much other occupation may it be some freelancing or so but basically free minds ready to get owned.
I don’t wanna make this too long of a post just the basics and so you can see how well planned this whole thing was from finish to end by a man (Bernard Poolman) who new more about business probably than the supernatural (if there is such a thing)
Demons of Desteni
Posted in Communication, desteni, Mind with tags angels, Demons, desteni, desteni cult, magic, mind on April 27, 2019 by Jorn
Usually i write something about Desteni and today i will cover my interpretation of Demons or Spirit guides or Angels or anything entity related. Desteni is a cult from South Africa where a woman called Sunette Spies claims to have broken through to the after life free from her body she is able to explore it and claims to bring through her body all things in existence. That is quite a mouthful i know. And to be honest i have been enticed by it for quite some time. To preface this post I would like to say that I do not believe in the afterlife(not in the “Desteni” afterlife anyway) angels or demons or any other form of entities that interact with us on earth.
Having said that I would like to begin with a little history of Desteni. Bernard Poolman (now deceased) was the leader of this cult and has in his family a lot of relations to divination and channeling. Even in his work as a policeman he used people to predict or somewhat narrow his searching field when looking for criminals. He wasn’t very successful with this, but it shows his faith in the supernatural even at a later age in his life. Later on he founded Desteni which was called something else then. His background is also as a Christian leaning towards the extreme side as he did with the supernatural later in his life. Desteni was first a group focused on demonology, demons mainly. What I have learned over the years is that many things in the Desteni material are a mix of books, Bernards twisted mind(mainly demonology) and some common sense.
Demons for example they (Desteni) say entities that possess you and feed of energy. I say Demons or say possession for example is simply energy clustered that has interfaced with our minds and created a defense mechanism, just like you would defend an addiction and make excuses for it. It can get to the extreme where the energy that has been gathered is so tangled up with your mind that it takes up almost all the capacity. That is where it can be called possession. Some things can be good things like possession of euphoria or happiness.
I don’t believe there is an actual entity nor would i call them Demons as it is merely yourself tangled up in something that you have spend a lot of energy on like a memory or a certain trauma or something you have achieved and become good at. I have always distinguished even while i was in this cult between how i understand something and how it is presented by others. This is important to do because otherwise you just become a sponge that simply takes in what is being said and wrings it out on someone else. I have been guilty of that in the past as well for a part. Once something becomes an obsession or you have invested a lot of energy in it you get that “little voice” that is telling you what you should do. For some its more obscure than a voice but in any case the direction you go in is influenced either way.
The reason I bring this up is that Desteni is like that it relies on the good old demon magic to work. Make you believe there is entities that you can only release with self forgiveness and that you need this in order to free yourself. Myself I see it as: to free yourself you merely have to realize that you are in an energy matrix: what goes in comes out like clockwork. Its a balance sheet of energy where you put it it comes back at you. In the case of possession its too late to prevent it and you basically process that energy in bursts with all that interfaced you in there with it. Its like a mutation of your mind. Basically a clone of you with a certain face on. Sounds a bit creepy, but i remind you that we have people that bomb or stab people just with or without any reason: the mind can justify anything and can be a creepy thing.
My advice is to not follow Desteni due to the deception mentioned about Demons. There are many others but this is a major one. A person can be persuaded to believe anything given the right conditions and that is what happened to Sunette Spies in my opinion. Its tragic to say the least and even though this woman seems to be quite smart she is stuck in the same mannerism if you look closer. There is simply a loop and I think a swear to Bernard that she would do no matter what to get his ideas accomplished.
The LIE that is Desteni
Posted in Communication, Equal Money, Local News, Mind, Money, Money System, Practical Solutions, Programming, Self Forgiveness, Self-Forgiveness, Self-Support, Technology, Work, Writing Self on February 22, 2019 by Jorn
Hello, meet Desteni a cult situated in South Africa. This group is lying about what they do mostly. Their intentions might be to save the world or some shit but in reality they are simply deceiving people for their own benefit. I’m all for bettering the world but not over the backs of others. So this is for you half believers and believers of the Desteni group.
First off just look at their actual discoveries. You really gotta dig but they do have some video called history of mankind which is the only series where they discuss the more fundamental questions like where do humans come from and what is the nature of reality. This is discussed content wise in merely 20 minutes tops, just skimmed over and on top of that it is merely a copy of the works (fake works in my humble opinion but that’s a different discussion) of Zecharia Sitchin. Come the fuck on if this was truly someone that is channeling all of existence (absurd i know but that is what is claimed) then at least we would know something in depth about the nature of this reality and our history not this bullshit.
Second is that all of their interviews are done in the same way: the portal tells something in very global terms about topics we only dream about we would have the answers to of course its gonna turn some heads but look at the content they produce there is not a single fact you can check for yourself and the interviews done on famous people (mostly american) are done so badly I can’t even begin to tell you how disappointed i feel in myself to have gone with this at one point and I am simply doing you a favor by telling you the obvious. Anyway I digress. The interviews done on famous people are simply rants not about their life but about Desteni’s interpretation of that life through what was known about them it is not even close to an account of these people. These interviews are purposefully designed to attract viewers nothing more and to draw them into the rest of the material that Desteni is propagating is good for and necessary for humanity.
So we covered some of Desteni’s “research” on history which is extremely poor and I wouldn’t want that thought to our children now would you? Besides it being poor it is simply not based on a single fact. (Zecharia Sitchin is not proof you dickheads) Instead it is based on science fiction writers and other books that come close to pure non-sense: paranormal unproven gibberish. I would even go as far as that Bernard Poolman has actually convinced Susan Spies and others to the point where she believes this type of history and is actually in the delusion that she is doing the right thing by putting out these interviews like it is from the afterlife and that she “sees” things about others she might believe that too and maybe there is some truth in her seeing things differently, but that doesn’t mean that it is some “heightened” sight or ability. Rather she has been brainwashed so completely that she started to believe herself and her “gift” as something extraordinary. While in fact it is not, they are talking in the same loops with the same words. Just repeating the same trick over and over again calling it something else.
If you still believe in Desteni you probably haven’t really looked at the bigger picture at all and how little Desteni has contributed in terms of true discovery and how impossible that is if what you believe is true. See Desteni covers all beliefs so once you get sucked into it it is hard to let go of this. For them (the core of Desteni) it is too late they can’t go back, but for you. You can change you mind and hopefully this is the slap in the face you needed to realize that this is not really what it is claimed to be.
As a closer I would go briefly over the “tools” that Desteni provides. Guess what this isn’t original either. Self Forgiveness isn’t (except the ridiculous literal doing of self forgiveness with self forgiveness lines) Self Honesty and Oneness and Equality have all been preached before and nothing of what Bernard Poolman (the maker of Desteni) put out is in any way original. Just a bunch of stitched up stolen ideas, plain and simple.
Discover Life, don’t try to channel it
The elitist Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized on January 2, 2019 by Jorn
Desteni for those who don’t know is a cult in South Africa that is mainly about a woman who claims to channel all of existence (literally everything). First off i’d like to share that I am absolutely open to new ideas and am not saying that there can be nothing after death just that this woman Susan Spies is not what she says she is and even though she might have a gift, that gift is first and foremost: lying.
As you can imagine they created a lot of content out of this, but mainly what it is is recording after recording article after article of the same shit – the same message – over and over again. Its the message that Bernard Poolman sandblasted in everybody’s minds where it is mainly about equality of all things. To that end Bernard created, no designed, the portal interviews. Its specifically created to manipulate to instigate, to engage you, to mess with your head basically so that new shit can be put it. You guessed right shit that is in the interest of Desteni only and nothing else.
Its based around the premise that we can actually create ourselves our minds our being and become something new(on itself i’m not against this but not by a payed course that basically forces you to abandon yourself completely and build it up from the ground that is just straight up brainwashing). This is of course because Bernard was a die hard new ager and under the cover Christian. Where the words of Helena Blavatsky never left Bernards mind and that has been pushed through in the works of Desteni, just another new age movement. And they are Christians in disguise that propagate their shit to others with long convoluted answers (really, n e v e r a straight answer) and work just like any other cult recruiting anyone they can clip with their life after death interviews bullshit.
Its elitist as fuck not only do they not answer anyone with a straight answer they always go and make a point that you have to support yourself or that they suggest something to support yourself and make a long discussion out of nothing where basically the participants go home happy because they feel like their believe system is yet again reinforced and they can sleep sound now because of everything that has been answered for them. Except those that actually ask follow up questions, those are silenced or met with more convoluted bullshit that makes you wanna close your eyes and pull the trigger(either at them or at yourself) or one of the favorite go to lines is: look at your starting point (rhetorical because its always self)
Even after Bernard Poolman died he still has a puppet in Susan Spies that keeps repeating the same bullshit she was thought and so do others repeat what is being brought out by the “oracle” Susan(or sometimes Sunette) spies.
Why am I so sure Desteni is bullshit?
First of the information it doesn’t deviate at all from interview to interview, it is the same information told by and actrice that puts on a different face everytime (even cries during interviews everything to make it as convincing as possible).
Second the strong hold of Bernard Poolman on the information coming through the portal, it falls exactly in line with what he has in his book closet now isn’t that something?(and I actually went to the farm in south africa to this cult and looked at his books)
Third, some information is simply faulty or inaccurate even though they try to prevent this as much as possible by making the interviews very general and not going into specific information (because the “beings” actually forget after they die according to Desteni).
Which brings me to the 4th point: suddenly during the history of mankind they come with all kinds of specifics, things that can’t be checked with actual evidence, but still details!
5th: there is a video where Bernard “explains” that the videos are designed and take it however you want, but really you believe this guy (Bernard Poolman) that has this arrogant laugh about himself?
Desteni as a believe system for all your beliefs
So Desteni was designed smartly to cover all your “unknowns” so that you stop looking and only look at Desteni for real answers. It makes you blind as fuck. It forms the basis for all the pillars of belief we have, but this platform is made of quicksand and as soon as it disappears you are totally lost – because all you have trusted and believed is tied to this one thing: Desteni. It is scary in a way, because once you get sucked into this it is not so easy to step out and when you do it takes a lot away at once and you realize (once for real realize not Desteni “realize”) that you haven’t really been looking into the world and whats going on but instead was looking through this sunglasses of Desteni where everything is turned to process some exaggerated self help program that we really don’t need. We need straight answers and not more bullshit cults in this world that want to teach everybody “their” way, that is exactly the same as what religion is doing and look how that turned out(just count how many wars we have had just because of religion) Besides when you get to spend time with these people of Desteni it’s clear that they have no clue about the real situation they are in, just saying that this kind of shit is definitely not recommended to help yourself take it from me i did the whole nine yards.(I went into the cult Desteni for a few years etc. came out and now I am doing much better)If you wanna help yourself then do research yourself and in yourself, self forgiveness that they talk about in Desteni (just another mind spin from Bernard) is just about letting go don’t let everything wind you up so much, because if you are emotionally involved in everything you don’t have a clear view whats coming. Look at stuff from your rear view mirror for just a second but keep your eyes on the road ahead. Try to give everyone a chance at finding something out for themselves or teach them how to find something instead of giving your own view. Don’t try to find answers in cults, channels and soothsayers about this reality they will always disappoint you in the end and you create a self fulfilling prophecy by focusing on these specific answers that you loose touch with reality.
Why the Desteni Cult exists
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on August 15, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult in South Africa, do a google search and you will find it. Or read one of my other posts where I write about Desteni.
It has been created by Bernard Poolman who passed away (didnt take good care of his health as he died at the age of 50 ish probably of some disease that was not diagnosed) and he stood up for life as he would call it. Taking on all the injustice in the world in his way: Desteni. It is claimed that this woman Suzan/Sunette Spies opened a portal to the afterlife and thus being able to function as a gateway for beings from the afterlife or anything in existence.
A far fetched claim and I have been part of it and I had always in the back of my mind the solution that this was made up just the discussions on real life events and world problems and history kept me going. I followed up the advice Bernard had given to his followers, one is self-forgiveness. To some degree this had an effect because if you write about yourself you gain perspective on things that you wouldn’t normally go into deeply. But self-forgiveness just like many things is something you got to do really instead of just write. In the end it is something he implemented in the group as a tool for actual self-change which the group is based on, to bring about actual change.
You got to see that the situation in the world is kind of hopeless, we are totally fucking the planet in the name of profit and progress (progress towards a more evolved human being). The emphasis being on evolution and that we will eventually go to different planets (to do the same?). If this falls away and we won’t be able to go to different planets maybe then will there be some drastic changes, but honestly I doubt it. The human is a curious species that apparently: does not give 2 fucks. Out of this there is mediums that steal money from people giving fake advice, horoscopes that give fake information and Desteni that takes money to give you a course to change for the better and religions of course that take your money again for the same except that the money mainly goes to big buildings that are used for worship instead of actual change. Out of all this Desteni doesn’t sound that bad.
However the thing is the basic human belief in who they are and where they come from causes mainly the way they behave and believing you are created by reptilians that created this for gold and whatever (yep, might be a short summery but its what is believed at Desteni and actually “thought” through the portal) is not actually factually what is going on and in the long run believing that there is a woman that gives you an insight into what is happening on the other side twists your view of reality even more. This is mostly skipped nowadays and there are lots of video’s from Desteni that are “support” or “self-help” videos where Sunette lets go of the “portal” and goes on a rant about several topics to “help” people understand how things work and how her perspective can help them progress. Cause that is what it is people are led to believe it leads somewhere and that they improve and progress in life matters through the “material” they present.
There are many religions that can be interpreted in different ways which gives so much conflict and confusion today. Desteni has solved this by having its very own oracle (Susan Spies) through which the power of the group is centered, focused and undiluted. Just as if you would have Jesus or Mohammed or Abraham or whoever holy with you today to give the well needed answers that you require to live your life as the books clearly aren’t enough to keep everyone in line + there are multiple books which makes it even more confusing.
As I said before there is a incredible amount of abuse today and Desteni took that as an opportunity to create a brand for themselves within this that feeds of this. I still hear Bernard laugh in one of his interviews on the farm where I was once too: “and we will have all the money, hahaha” referring to the online course Desteni has now rolled out. Typical Bernard high of the tower whistle to show you how much he thought of his Desteni and that it was gonna take over the world (i doubt there are more than 50 actually active members if that). What I noticed about him and strangely liked at the time was that he didn’t give a fuck about anyone if it didn’t support his way/Desteni’s way of supporting life. Also they never fucking finish a project and always keep delaying/promising things in the future to do and never do. His method of recruitment was provoking something in someone so they would react and out of that create a relationship which is sort of hacking someones brain in a way. He was good at that shit. And its the only reason Desteni got this far.
As for the relationship of Bernard and Sunette/the portal, it were emotional times for her and they practically caught her without even trying. The portal thing and the whole channeling thing of Sunette is probably a pinky swear with Bernard, her and the core group (maybe only a few people within the group) to create something that would change the world and whether you are willing to do whatever it takes to realize this. Sunette said yes to this and gives convincing interviews except for the fact that the information given is not really information it is a talk in a certain language. It is talking in absolutes and words like ALL and EVERYTHING are used A LOT. One example is that interview with Adolf Hitler (mind you when I say interview I mean this woman Sunette Spies that claims to channel Hitler and talks as him) where Hitler sees demons everywhere and so on and supposedly plans war to change the world. Where in history actually the start of the second world war was the conflict in Poland where many Germans where being murdered where Hitler invaded Poland and from there the ball started rolling thus being provoked into war not because he wanted war. (im not Hitler fan but at least keep your facts straight Desteni)
Anyway the interviews are a way of talking about events so that you don’t have to give any details just very global information that anyone could either find out or make up on the spot without anyone being able to check that. But this is why Desteni exists: people don’t care about the truth, they care about getting simple answers to difficult questions (that in reality can’t be answered) and they will listen and they will follow just like me once.
Earth Haven another Desteni front
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, Earth Haven, EQAFE on August 3, 2018 by Jorn
Once again I post something around Desteni (desteni.org) which is about Earth Haven led by Gian Robberts. And once again I am here to clarify to you the reader that this is just another name for Desteni as Gian has been groomed by Desteni from the beginning. It should be called Desteni Haven or some shit so that people don’t get confused to what this is based on. Basically what they are doing is collecting money for the Desteni farm besides the course they are doing which you can find on EQAFE.com.
The idea is to get money from donateurs to create more Desteni farms with the same principles as theirs which doesn’t sound too bad until you discover what Desteni is and what it does and how deep the rabbit hole really goes. Desteni is about a woman that believes (or pretends) to bring anything in existence through her being basically channeling but of course they don’t call it that to not fall into the same category of other fakers that are currently out there on this subject. Through this “channeling” they have produced tons of material of stories and supposedly beings that share through the so called “portal” as she likes to call it herself. I am talking about human history, aliens, the universe, demons, angels, dead celebrities etc etc (they focused on celebrities obviously to get more attention)
So back to Earth Haven, it might sound cute and all but its the same shit as Desteni is where they strongly believe they are changing the world with their courses and way of life. Unfortunately people are misled and fooled by material that has no real basis in reality. Even though their intentions might seem good the fact of the matter is that it is based on a lie and that continues now for years and years. Don’t support this group and its branches as Earth Haven is the same shit in a different coating.
Questioning the content of the Desteni cult
Posted in Uncategorized with tags desteni, desteni cult on February 3, 2018 by Jorn
Desteni is a cult situated in South Africa that claims to have opened a portal to the afterlife where a woman called Sunette Spies (or Susan on facebook) can channel (or express as they like to call it) anything in existence including deceased such as Adolf Hitler and Jesus Christ (sorry Christians but I have to say: if he ever even existed!)
Its no coincidence that the lore of Desteni mimics the works of Zecharia Sitchin or that the way they described the afterlife coincides with the works of Dr. Michael Newton journey to the afterlife. These are two of the many books on the shelves at the Desteni Farm from Bernard Poolman (he was the leader of this cult). Now i’m not going to refute the existence of a spirit world just yet, but I am going to show you that all is not what it seems as to what Desteni is involved with. First of Zecharia Sitchin is one of the many translators of the Sumerian texts and did you know he was never willing or able or never did cross reference or discuss his work with other translators? The theory of Sitchin is that extraterrestrials came down to earth and created mankind and he has been proven wrong by many translators for example you can look up Dr. Michael S. Heiser (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCriFS7eGxs) and his talks about Sitchins work if you can call it that as it was more of an free interpretation where he simply takes a few too many shortcuts in translating to fit his theory. If he is wrong all those people cults and happy conspiracy theorists out there are wrong, its as simple as that.
Many hold on to this theory and usually have only Sitchins work to back it up. It sounds so interesting doesn’t it that we were created by aliens? It does however only move the problem to the creation of aliens, who made them? The explanation Desteni has for that is that they were inter dimensional (non-physical) and were originally created from planets themselves that on their turn were created by two essences male and female who created planets, but where those came from yeah you guessed it dead end (the big bang?). Its interesting how many cults and believe groups do this: move the problem until its just out of sight or not really. In the end you could say that Desteni also tries to incorporate science into the mix by holding onto the big bang theory so that’s why i put that in brackets behind it with just a lot of what Desteni likes to call self created self discovered content in between.
For Dr. Michael Newtons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLAOOElNUlk) work you can say that it is at least interesting that so many stories of individuals coincide with each other of the in between life they have had. You can also say that they have had the same indoctrination as everybody else so it is to be expected that their subconscious thoughts are alike. Also that we have lived many lifes only to be incarnated again and again is an interesting theory, but nothing more than that a theory. A structured and specific afterlife seemingly constructed is possible it also could be a reflection of our structured world and how we have heroes and villains and how we have defined our child memories as an adult. To come to the conclusion that we come or go through a “spirit world” even after reading the works of Newton is at the very least far fetched.
Also Bernard Poolman had quite a few experiences with Demons where in one instance he said that Demons could be learned to forgive themselves and re-purposed in a more constructive manner also Andrea Rossouw (also a Desteni member) had experiences with a Demon and in the interview from the portal with Hitler he was able to see a Demon feeding of his grandma while praying. Here I also have more or less the impression that Bernard is projecting his own belief and interpretation of how Demons must work onto the interview that was done through Sunette or that she was so much under his influence that she would even as improvisation express it in that way. As for Andrea’s experiences well I once asked how can you see Demons and what do they look like. And she said like grey shadowy like beings that float around. I have never seen Demons or believed in the existence of them. To me it is all a matter of how you are programmed and what kind of background you have and the Demons are you own creations of mind and don’t float around possessing people but are simply an internal mechanism of the mind.
There is not much to Desteni in terms of new discoveries than these core believes in theories that are on themselves already questionable. There is nothing really that is “new” under the sun in the Desteni material. It is re-purposed old material all glued together through the so called portal. I love history, real history and real learning but Desteni just isn’t that and I had to discover that the hard way (afterwards). I had really invested much time in reading the material and I have to say now that nothing of it is based on solid ground. This invalidates the portal and everything that came of it as Desteni refuses to give any real information about the world, history and the mind that can be validated by anyone else but themselves according to their members it is beyond proven that the portal is channeling real beings from the afterlife and some say that its only about the message (Destenis favorite go-to line) but that just seems to me that your trying to sidestep the fact that if the portal is false then everything that the cult stands for such as self-honesty and self-forgiveness falls away. It is not okay to fool people even if the end-goal is to create improvement for all. They way the cult is going is just pure programming of people whereby they have the upper-hand through the magical portal which produces so called perspectives that are believed to be true inter-dimensional feedback, a unique perspective. However more and more the cult begins to branch out to other ways to use Sunettes “gift” such as self help videos and support videos where “portaling” is not so much central but the individual self so that people joining might be confused to view Desteni as an innocent group just doing self help and support, but don’t be fooled by this as the core remained the same. It is rotten to the bone.
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